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- Robert Gage
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- Hayes Rutherford
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Thank you Ron and Robert. In time I hope to add some wood that is more exotic but I need to convince myself the whips are worthy. I'm seeing a pattern develop where the socket hole has been 11/16" on my whips that are 4tt core, 8 plait belly and 12 plait overlay(or 14 plait on this one) so easy enough to change out a handle for whatever reason.
I hope to experiment with the lead core fish line more in the future, and will be using the Anchorseal as well. I think this is a good way to wax a whip for someone that doesn't want to invest in a cooker and large amount of parrafin wax.
I hope to experiment with the lead core fish line more in the future, and will be using the Anchorseal as well. I think this is a good way to wax a whip for someone that doesn't want to invest in a cooker and large amount of parrafin wax.

- Flemming Bo Christiansen
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Great whip Hayes. What do you think about cracking a cowwhip?
I have cracked a cowwhip today and I think you have to get used to it being able to twist the handle a little if you do not follow the natural movement. Conversely, it is a good indicator that you are walking something the whip does not like.
What do you think ?
I have cracked a cowwhip today and I think you have to get used to it being able to twist the handle a little if you do not follow the natural movement. Conversely, it is a good indicator that you are walking something the whip does not like.
What do you think ?
Today is a good day

- Mark Elliott
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Very nice work, again. The taper looks very even and the drops are smooth. the handle is still the highlight, though, for sure. Very elegant looking. Would you be interested in trading whips? I think we could both learn something from it.
"Always be on the lookout for the presence of wonder." -E. B. White

- Hayes Rutherford
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Thanks so much for the feedback.
Flemming, I do notice what you refer to. I have read about cow whips being loosely mounted but mine are not. I do notice easier cracking when held a certain way and this varies between the whips I have made so far. Lots to learn about taper, weight, stiffness, etc.
Mark, thanks so much. I would be happy to do some trading! Maybe talk by phone some time?
Flemming, I do notice what you refer to. I have read about cow whips being loosely mounted but mine are not. I do notice easier cracking when held a certain way and this varies between the whips I have made so far. Lots to learn about taper, weight, stiffness, etc.
Mark, thanks so much. I would be happy to do some trading! Maybe talk by phone some time?

- Rachel McCollough
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- Ben Varsek
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- Hayes Rutherford
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- Hayes Rutherford
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- Robert Gage
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- Mark Elliott
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- Ross Buckley
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- Hayes Rutherford
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Thank you Ross.
A couple more with birch handles and flat black rattle can lacquer. The swelled part of the grip on these was set at 1-1/8, the short one measures 12" long and the longer one is 14-3/4". Looks like I will need to make another batch of ferrules soon! The aluminum is bored to 15/16ths i.d. and the handle is bored to 11/16". When the ferrule is fit , 1/8" wood remains which I feel is the minimum but very strong when epoxied on. This will scale up if and when I make a whip with greater diameter. C&C always welcome

A couple more with birch handles and flat black rattle can lacquer. The swelled part of the grip on these was set at 1-1/8, the short one measures 12" long and the longer one is 14-3/4". Looks like I will need to make another batch of ferrules soon! The aluminum is bored to 15/16ths i.d. and the handle is bored to 11/16". When the ferrule is fit , 1/8" wood remains which I feel is the minimum but very strong when epoxied on. This will scale up if and when I make a whip with greater diameter. C&C always welcome



- Mark Elliott
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I am now the proud owner of one of Hayes' whips (the one in post #30) and I have to say that the whips, especially the handles are as nice to hold as they are to look at. The whip is so much fun to crack. As Robert mentioned in a comment about the whip it is very fast and light, almost like cracking a stockwhip or what I imagine a performance hybrid would feel like (I've never actually cracked a PH whip.) Best of all, it doesn't hurt my wrists when I use it.
I've not put the shorter handle on to try our yet (yes, he sent both handles!) but the longer one is surprisingly comfortable and well balanced, forcing me to change my mind about longer handles on cow whips. The ferrule is a great touch.
The anchor seal coating on the thong is unusual. It doesn't add as much mass to the whip as wax would and since it is put on at room temperature it doesn't cause the nylon to tighten the way that wax would. The feel of it on the whip is similar to wax, though, so overall I like it, especially if you are using it on a light fast whip like this one.
The plaiting is very good on this whip, the seams are straight, there are no obvious gaps, no crossed, or twisted strands. There are no hinges, even where he switches from a 4 plait to the TT section of the tail. The strand drops are clean without any large bumps where the dropped strands lie under the plait. The fall knot is even and clean-looking.
I have to tell you, Hayes, this is a very fine little whip. You should be very happy with it. About the only thing I can see that you could improve on, and it isn't even that big of a deal, is the plaiting could be a little bit tighter.
I've not put the shorter handle on to try our yet (yes, he sent both handles!) but the longer one is surprisingly comfortable and well balanced, forcing me to change my mind about longer handles on cow whips. The ferrule is a great touch.
The anchor seal coating on the thong is unusual. It doesn't add as much mass to the whip as wax would and since it is put on at room temperature it doesn't cause the nylon to tighten the way that wax would. The feel of it on the whip is similar to wax, though, so overall I like it, especially if you are using it on a light fast whip like this one.
The plaiting is very good on this whip, the seams are straight, there are no obvious gaps, no crossed, or twisted strands. There are no hinges, even where he switches from a 4 plait to the TT section of the tail. The strand drops are clean without any large bumps where the dropped strands lie under the plait. The fall knot is even and clean-looking.
I have to tell you, Hayes, this is a very fine little whip. You should be very happy with it. About the only thing I can see that you could improve on, and it isn't even that big of a deal, is the plaiting could be a little bit tighter.
"Always be on the lookout for the presence of wonder." -E. B. White


- Mark Elliott
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- Jyri Haveri
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- Hayes Rutherford
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Thank you Jyri.
Mark, Thank you so much for taking the time. You have a nice relaxed style (I need to work on that) Feel free to repurpose the extra handle as you like. I personally liked the longer handle. The Anchorseal was applied to the belly as well prior to binding. Its easy enough to brush on and a whip could be soaked in it as well. Have not tried that yet and look at it simply as an option for someone that doesn't want to take the steps necessary for hot waxing. Might try a heat gun on it at some point.
Mark, Thank you so much for taking the time. You have a nice relaxed style (I need to work on that) Feel free to repurpose the extra handle as you like. I personally liked the longer handle. The Anchorseal was applied to the belly as well prior to binding. Its easy enough to brush on and a whip could be soaked in it as well. Have not tried that yet and look at it simply as an option for someone that doesn't want to take the steps necessary for hot waxing. Might try a heat gun on it at some point.
