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Topic: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

I have seen this (or heard of) on other people’s whips several times now: The cracker attachment knot cuts into the leather and at some point it will come off because the fall is torn at that point. Or the cracker will get lost, because it’s knot tied strong enough (and subsequently cutting into the leather) and slips off the end after some cracks.
There are more methods with paracord falls: A real loop locking the cracker can be done with the end of a paracord fall and additionally it can be molten with a lighter and thickend at the end, so that the cracker doesn’t slip over it.
Yesterday Renates fall broke at the end where the cracker was attached. The fall is tapered and gets thinner to the end. So what to do...
I remembered that I had a special glue for leather and repairing shoes once and thought „what about a drop of leather glue at the end of the fall?!“. This might be similar to melting the end of a paracord fall.
Fortunately it turned out that Renate has exactly that glue at home...here is the result.
Before it was completely dry:
https://i.imgur.com/W8wXt4k.jpg

Final result with cracker:
https://i.imgur.com/mkmZbcQ.jpg

The idea is to not having to make a „cutting knot“ in the end of the fall...
This is only just an experiment, maybe it’s just a (german word) „Schnapsidee“ or the glue-leather connection lasts and the cracker /end of fall lasts longer this way?!

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

That's an intriguing idea.
I do believe though that when the cracker breaks or gets knotted up that you might have to cut the fall anyway to be able to put a new cracker on.
Let us know how this works out.

Ron

Procrastination is totally a good thing. You always have something to do tomorrow, plus you have nothing to do today.

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I just remembered something...it’s melted not molten?! (As pointed out by Robert wink )
Anyway, of course this is a story to be continued. Ron you’re probably right, but the main idea is to at least improve the durability of the fall-cracker connection.

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Yes indeed, Wolfgang - 'melted', not 'molten'.  One speaks of 'molten lava' in a volcano, for example - but 'melted cheese' on toast!

It's a clever idea, but - to be honest - I'm not sure I would trust the adhesive properties of any glue for this purpose.  Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned, but I have a vivid mental picture of a cracker coming off and injuring someone.  I've lost innumerable crackers over the years anyway, thanks to falls breaking.  There's a particular field in British Columbia which probably still contains at least a dozen of these, lost during vigorous practice some forty years ago, and never found!

'Less is often more!'

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Fine idea Wolfgang. Otherwise Robby gives advice in Whip basic DVD no. 4

Today is a good day

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I lose a lot of crackers as well, but they aren't that hard to make and so it's not that big of a deal. I recently learned to tie a cracker differently and I'm going to give it a trial for a while.  https://youtu.be/6N_KSHuJgmc?t=132

Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

Mark, that looks like a nifty and secure way of tying a cracker on.
Thanks for the tip.

Ron

Procrastination is totally a good thing. You always have something to do tomorrow, plus you have nothing to do today.

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Mark, I've often used that method to tie on crackers.  It seems to work well!  smile

'Less is often more!'

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That is a really interesting video Mark, thanks for sharing!

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That certainly looks easy enough. Thanks for sharing it, Mark!

I'll give it a try, Dad, but it's going to be really hard...kind of like trying to saw something in half using a banana.

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

Long story short...the forces on the end of the fall are too much even for this glue.
It came off in only the 2nd practice after this.
But the knotting technique shown in Johnny's video is totally sufficient. However the fall still breaks...not at the place where the cracker knot is, but just before.
https://i.imgur.com/yjmDaCq.jpg
I found it a little disappointing to already lose one inch of the fall in only the 4 th practice since I got the whip, but I think the thicker parts will last longer and I'll just have to condition the fall after every single cracking session (only did it after the first).
Grease'em like you can...

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

Wolfgang, the fall breaking off like that suggests to me that either 1) the leather was too weak, or too thin, or 2) you've been cracking with too much force.  Or possibly both together!

But falls do regularly break.  That's what they're there for!  tongue

'Less is often more!'

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Robert, I didn't trust the end of the fall in its original state and yesterday I did exactly ONE really loud crack as kind of an experiment...right after that there was a tiny kink in the place where it broke today...
When I work my way up the fall it will probably last longer and longer as it's tapered and of course really loud hammering cracks are even more taboo now...paracords will take the abuse, apparently leather not wink
And conditioning after every practice is an abosolute must it seems.

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

For what it's worth, I tend to condition my falls after each use....

'Less is often more!'

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Lesson learnt! wink

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I have an 8 foot leather bullwhip with a rather long handle (Australian style I think). I lost the end of the fall after a few cracks. I was using FAR to much force. Now, I have just tied a knot like the one Robby show how to tie in one of the DVD's.

After each time I use the whip I give the fall some Pechards (as Robert suggest) and I have not lost anymore of the fall since.

Today is a good day

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This reminds me of my 8 ft paracord that for some reason has a leather fall (but I don't know WHAT leather)
https://i.imgur.com/BgvwqtN.jpg

This is several years old and the whip I used in that ridiculously overpowering victorian cutback video I posted in the 10/10 thread two years ago, shot long before I joined here. ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNnRKKRTn3o )
Until now the fall is in top condition and never broke, and I used this whip back in my days of overpowering and forcing the cracks. Strange. Blasphemic question: is roohide really the best leather? Maybe for thong, but another leather may be better for the fall?!
But this brings back memories...tomorrow victorian cutback with this very whip. I haven't touched the VC for a long time.

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All my leather Falls are made out of redhide

Today is a good day

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Can someone enlighten me please?
I have now read "redhide" and "whitehide" countless times, but google search leads to nothing... What animal does this come from? Red or white kangaroos?!
Honestly I have no clue, because I hardly ever cared about leather whips.

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Re: Experiment: „Locking“ a cracker on a leather fall?!

Wolfgang, redhide - sometimes called 'latigo' is cowhide.  So is whitehide.  In my experience, whitehide tends to be slightly thicker than redhide, and so can be cut into a rounder fall - but I don't know if that is always the case.  Redhide falls tend to be flatter, like the fall on Flemming's whip (post #17).

I personally prefer whitehide, due to its rounder shape.  It also seems to be tougher leather.  I might add that I've got a couple of nylon whips with whitehide falls, which work very well.

A lot of American bullwhips were/are made entirely from latigo, as it's more commonly known in America.  I think the term 'redhide' is used more often in Australia.  My very first 'real' whip (acquired at age 16) was a 12-foot redhide bullwhip from Texas.  It wasn't especially good, but I loved it!  smile

'Less is often more!'