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Topic: Knife vs. Gun. Imagine now a whip...

It is about that old and always new idea to defend yourself against a knife and/or gun attack. I am preaching for years that it is pure nonsense, but, well... As long as out there are people who want the audience make belief that you could fight someone with a knife or - even more stupid - a gun - here is an interesting video. It is about gun against knife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0

If you watch this video, you will see that those folks say exactly the same what I said years ago in the video "The Whip, the Weapon".   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnwfFVn … e=youtu.be  All those folks expect an attacker to stand still so that they can beat him with their whip. Basically it's a sad thing, because all of those people have so little self confidence, that they need something that makes them invinsible. Sadly only in their imagination. I'd like to see the whip handlers who demonstrate, what a fantastic defense tool a whip is, in a real attack situation. If it's Adam Winrich, Anthony DeLongis and all the others.

Okay - to be honest - of course I don't want them to be hurt, because that would be ridiculous. But I think you got the idea. Watch that video, see the guy with the knife and tell me when you think you could hit him with a whip. Those real guys don't stand still for you. But as long as nearly everybody wants to be Batman out on the streets, people who sell the whip as the defense tool, will make serious money.

Poor customers. I hope they only loose their money. And not their lives.


Robby

I have a screwdriver. I am Legend...

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Re: Knife vs. Gun. Imagine now a whip...

I totally agree.
Also it's easy to "act out" a plan with a partner that's choreographed for filming purposes, but in real life you will probably never see it coming.

Doing classes and selling whips as a tool for self defense is like promoting screen doors for submarines and just as useful.

Eventually someone is going to get hurt or even, heaven forbid, killed thinking this way.
A false sense of security will always get you hurt.


Ron

Yesterday I spotted an albino dalmatian.
It was the least I could do for him.

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Even Indy knew better.
https://youtu.be/3I_Ds2ytz4o

Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

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Mark, I prefer this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28mNl-wg54

Whip vs Gun?  I choose ICBM - BOOM!

Here's wishing you find time for the things you want to do, and for the things you need to do.
We see ourselves in our children and hope for a better future.

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If there's a thing that will bring out the cuss words, for me it is this. 

A whip as a weapon is complete nonsense.  A guy tapped on my window one morning this last summer when I was sitting in my truck in the school parking lot.  Did I reach for the 12 foot cow whip under my seat?
Hell no. 

Granted I was without sidearms that day, but I reached in my book bag and hollared "You better Run!"
He ran. 

I don't think he thought I was reaching for a whip and was so scared he ran away. 

Whips as weapons:
COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!


Sorry for the ugly words, but it can get people killed. 

And thank you, Robby, for the DVD "Stay Alive" that you produced, it teaches getting past that initial fear and promotes real and honest ways of self defence.

Inch by inch.

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So true! Even if you had your whip handy, what would you do with it?!!! Attacker, ahh, hold on a minuet so I can uncoil my whip... And if by some miracle your whip was in hand and ready, how would you go about defending yourself? If I had someone come at me with a knife, or even just a punch, I might try to block the first attack but then I would drop the whip and get into my fighting stance...

"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious."
- Albert Einstein

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The only way that a whip becomes a reasonable defensive weapon is if the attacker is armed with a shorter whip!

Why did she fall? Her mass distorted space-time to produce the effect we know as gravity...

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Thanks so much, Robby! You're totally right!

Ron May wrote:

Doing classes and selling whips as a tool for self defense is like promoting screen doors for submarines and just as useful.

Ron, that's the most useful analogy on this subject I've ever seen! Than you!  smile

'Less is often more!'

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Didn't they used to make snakewhips into weapons by making their handles extremely heavy and therefore useful as cudgels?
But apart from that, yeah, whips are pretty useless as a weapon. Maybe as a deterrent? Or if you put metal lashes on it?

Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.

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Robby, thank you for sharing that video!
Trying to defend against a knife with a whip would be nothing but suicide.


All the best
Ben

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I've watched a lot of Anthony DeLongis and his work on using the whip as a defensive tool, and it confuses me. He says there's a bunch of ways to use them as such, but they don't make sense. I hate flexible weapons for defense, and that's all he says. Also, actually cracking the whip at somebody? Cool, you have basically just pissed them off!

Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates.
          -Mark Twain

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Well, I am not carrying whip in town Saturday Night so no reason to think about whips for defence

Today is a good day

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Flemming Bo Christiansen wrote:

Well, I am not carrying whip in town Saturday Night so no reason to think about whips for defence

Exactly!!!

I have one under the seat for when we open and close gates on some land where we train dogs.  It is for moving livestock away from the gate.


Against humans, in the real life situations I have personally witnessed, a whip is useless.

Inch by inch.

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One thing to keep in mind about attackers, they attack when you least expect it. Which means that you have no time to get your whip, if you even have it with you.

"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious."
- Albert Einstein

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There are only two things I want to say about this: Avoid Trouble, and - if trouble comes anyway - Run Away. This isn't cowardice, it's just basic common sense!

'Less is often more!'

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Ethan and Mr. Robert, both of these statements could apply to a mean momma cow!

Inch by inch.

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Indeed, Rachel! And on my country walks, I have often altered my route to circumnavigate a 'mean momma cow'!

'Less is often more!'

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I found out the hard way that cows don't like bicycles.

I was riding  the 2 mile ranch road to the mailbox and some cows noticed me and began chasing me and gaining on me. I had to zoom to the nearest fence and chunk the bike over before launching my self over it as well.

The funny thing is that they didn't seem to mind as long as I wasn't riding it.


It's a lot longer than 2 miles when you have to walk and push a bike.

Ron

Yesterday I spotted an albino dalmatian.
It was the least I could do for him.

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Ron,
That is good to know! lol

"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious."
- Albert Einstein

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All in all, whips are not designed as weapons. Though, you could possibly use one to gain enough time to get away. Other than that they are no good as weapons.

"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious."
- Albert Einstein